10 Questions with Barbara Southard, author of Unruly Human Hearts.

Synopsis

Elizabeth Tilton, a devout housewife, shares liberal ideals with her journalist husband, Theodore, and her pastor, Reverend Henry Ward Beecher, both influential reformers of the Reconstruction era. She is torn between admiration for her husband’s stand on women’s rights and resentment of his dominating ways. When Theodore justifies his extramarital affairs in terms of the “free love” doctrine that marriage should not restrict other genuine loves, she finds the courage to express her feelings for Reverend Beecher. The three partners in this triangle struggle with love, desire, jealousy, fear of public exposure, and legal battles. Once passion for her pastor undermines the moral certainties of her generation, Elizabeth enters uncharted territory. Telling the truth may cost her everything. Can a woman accustomed to following the lead of men find her own path and define her own truth?

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Unruly Human Hearts

You can pre-order Unruly Human Hearts at Amazon. (January 28, 2025)

What drew you to become a professor of history?

My parents moved from New York to Hawaii when I was a teenager and I was fascinated with the multicultural society of the 50th state, including people of Hawaiian ancestry, descendants of white missionaries as well as people whose ancestors came from China or Japan to name only a few. When I entered the University of Hawaii, I was already very interested in Asian cultures, and the study of history seemed to be an ideal avenue to gaining an understanding of cultures so different from my own. I applied for an East-West Center scholarship for graduate work, which covered a year of research in India.

How did you end up teaching at the University of Puerto Rico?

My husband, who is an economist, was offered a job at the University of Puerto Rico. I had finished my course work at the University of Hawaii, but I was just starting to write my dissertation on the nationalist movement in India. After finishing my PhD, the Social Sciences Department at the University of Puerto Rico invited me to teach courses on Asia. Eventually I was offered a position as an Assistant Professor in the History Department.

Tell us more about your career as a historian and your work to highlight women’s struggles in both the United States and India.

At the University of Puerto Rico where I taught courses on both Asia and the United States with an emphasis on social history, it was a challenge to become fluent in Spanish and to interpret not only Asian culture but also American culture to my students. Although my dissertation was on the nationalist movement, my later research centered on the women’s movement in India. After receiving a Smithsonian Institute grant for research in India, I was able to complete my book on the struggle for women’s social and political rights in northeastern India titled The Women’s Movement and Colonial Politics in Bengal, 1921-1936. In addition to many academic articles on social themes in Indian history, I published a study of the impact of the gospel of love on the position of women in the United States as seen in the case of Elizabeth Tilton. I also wrote short stories exploring social conflicts set in India, the United States and Puerto Rico, mostly written from the perspectives of women and girls.

How did the views expressed by students in a graduate seminar you taught on the social history of the United States influence your decision to explore the Beecher-Tilton scandal more deeply?

At first my students didn’t seem interested in the famous 1875 trial, but once I mentioned the scandal had similarities to Bill Clinton’s impeachment for the alleged cover-up of sexual intimacies with Monica Lewinsky, they began to participate actively in the discussion. A young man pointed out that both the president and the reverend survived the scandal. Yeah, said a young woman but what about Monica and Elizabeth? My student’s suggestion that Elizabeth may have fared worse than her male lover inspired me to delve deeper into the social context of the scandal. As I immersed myself in the sources to understand the challenges Elizabeth faced because of gender inequality, I found that my own multicultural experiences, during the many years spent in Hawaii and Puerto Rico as well as the year doing research in India, were very helpful, enabling me to imagine how Elizabeth felt in an epoch with values very different from the present day.

What was the research process like to bring Elizabeth Tilton’s side of the story to life? I know that during the civil trial that she wasn’t allowed to speak, being that she was viewed as the damaged property of her husband in the case.

Many of the historical studies of the Beecher-Tilton scandal picture Elizabeth as a weak personality, a woman who gave in to both her husband and her lover and couldn’t keep her story straight. As I read more about the Victorian code of conduct for women, I felt that this version of her character was simplistic if not misogynistic. I attempted to come to grips with the challenges Elizabeth faced because of gender inequality in an article I wrote for a history journal, but I finally decided that the best way to do her justice would be to write a novel telling the story of the scandal from her perspective. Although Elizabeth was not called to the stand during the 1875 trial, there are three important primary sources that reveal her point of view: her personal letters, which her husband published in the press without her permission, her testimony at the church investigation, and the testimony of those who spoke of her at the trial. Once I decided to write a novel, I had to immerse myself once again in the historical sources. This second time, I was concentrating not only on understanding the social issues, but also submerging myself in the feelings and thoughts of Elizabeth and her two lovers, imagining scenes in which the main characters interacted.

Unruly Human Hearts is a work of fiction but based on a true story. How much of what we find in the book can be considered fact, or as fact as can be, considering the era and limited sources of coverage of events?

The novel covers the period from 1866, when Elizabeth, then in her early thirties, first developed romantic feelings for Henry until her death in 1897. There are many primary sources for the period from 1866 through the trial of 1875, including personal letters, trial records, and the press. The events and the people whose actions and personalities are revealed in these records function as the framework for my novel. However, the sources do not consistently tell the same story. The public testimony of the protagonists often provides conflicting narrations of what happened in what order, as well as conflicting interpretation of the motivations of those involved. Historians who have written books involving the Beecher-Tilton scandal also have different interpretations. As a writer of historical fiction, I had to make judgment calls. Elizabeth’s life after the 1875 trial, covered briefly in the final pages of the novel, was more difficult to envision. Although several historical sources are available, including obituaries and her letter of confession published in 1878, writing about her final years required greater creative effort.

Free love is somewhat of a key factor of the Beecher-Tilton scandal, a scandal perhaps in part because of Victoria Woodhull’s being the one to put it to print making it of greater public knowledge. Can you perhaps give our readers a little idea of what “free love” means in the context of the book and the movement at the time?

The basic idea of free love in the Reconstruction era was the freedom to choose whom to love and to express true love in a sexual relationship outside of marriage. Those who espoused free love believed that government should not interfere in matters of the heart, because the question of who loves whom cannot be legislated. Some feminist leaders supported free love because they believed that marriage and divorce laws unfavorable to women often imprisoned them in injurious abusive relationships. The radical feminist, Victoria Woodhull, denounced the hypocrisy of male leaders (including Reverend Beecher) who indulge in sexual affairs while publicly advocating conventional morality. Most supporters of free love in the nineteenth century did not advocate promiscuity; they couched their beliefs in terms of individual freedom to express true love. The concept of free love was similar in some respects to the concept of open marriage in the latter half of the twentieth century in which one’s spouse was viewed as the primary partner, but married couples were free to express love for others. Elizabeth viewed her husband, Theodore, as her primary partner, and Reverend Beecher as another love that enriched her life and deepened her love for her husband.

Each of the characters in the triangle’s relationship to free love comes from a different angle. We have the first prominent preacher in America, a newspaper editor and abolitionist, and an American suffragist. How did each reconcile the doctrine of free love with their religious beliefs and perhaps positions in society?

Reverend Beecher’s experiences as a young child, when his father instilled in him the fear of being a sinner predestined to go to hell, encouraged him to advocate replacing the Calvinist doctrine of retribution with the gospel of love. The gospel of love inspired him to preach against slavery and in favor of guiding children through love not corporal punishment. Henry’s sermons comparing God’s love with the tender care of a mother inspired Elizabeth and helped her see the feminine role as crucial not only within the family but also in building a better society. Her motivation to join the suffrage movement was the belief that women would vote to help those in need. Although the gospel of love and the concept of free love had separate origins, Henry and Elizabeth saw a connection between the two. True love of one human being for another could not be sinful. Whereas Elizabeth and Henry emphasized Love as the guiding spiritual and ethical principle, for Theodore, it was Truth. Conventional moral teachings restricting love outside of marriage led to lies and concealment that poisoned personal relations. Theodore believed that non-interference of the government in personal love lives was a necessary social reform, and thus advocated free love as well as suffrage for women and former slaves.

Elizabeth was involved in the suffrage movement, as was her husband, what did the scandal do for/to the movement?

The women’s suffrage movement was going through a difficult period in the eighteen seventies. Many suffragists had hoped that that the fifteenth amendment would include voting rights for women and former slaves, but the amendment only awarded suffrage to freedmen. The movement had to regroup and form new alliances. Initially Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton, both of whom were friends of Theodore and Elizabeth, were enthused when Victoria Woodhull, a charming and charismatic young woman of working-class origins, brought new energy into the suffrage movement. However, they later realized that her advocacy of radical social issues, including free love, was alienating supporters. Victoria had a key role in the exposure of the Beecher-Tilton scandal. She denounced Beecher as an ardent supporter of free love who concealed his true beliefs so as not to endanger his career and social position. Public fascination with the role played by prominent men with progressive views on women’s rights in the Beecher-Tilton scandal, was fodder for conservatives who painted the campaign for women’s suffrage as a movement associated with dangerous radicals whose aim was to destroy the social order.

Any good book based on historical facts can and should teach you something that has some relevance to current times. How is Unruly Human Hearts relevant today?

The story of Elizabeth is relevant to concerns about individual freedom and social ethics in modern times. The emergence of creeds of sexual liberation and open marriage in the second half of the twentieth century raised questions about whether free love is liberating for women. Many women were economically dependent on men, which made it difficult for them to insist that men grant their partners the same sexual freedom that they claimed for themselves. The MeToo movement that emerged in the early twenty-first century points to the problems implicit in a sexual relationship in which one partner enjoys the advantage of power and position. Elizabeth insisted that her tie with Reverend Beecher was based on true love, but her husband saw it as a pastor taking advantage of a deeply loyal member of his flock. On the other hand, Theodore was oblivious of the power dynamic in his marriage to Elizabeth. He justified his own extramarital affairs as a legitimate expression of free love but applied the double standard to his wife. If our society continues to make progress toward gender equality, we can hope that women involved in open marriages or polyamorous relationships do not undergo the same heartbreak that Elizabeth experienced.

What is your next project about?

I am reworking a historical novel set in New York in the roaring twenties, a period in which women enjoyed new freedom to pursue romance as well as a career of their own. The heroine, a young aspiring poet, suffers violent mood swings, which make it difficult for her to comprehend the new limits of acceptable behavior for women. Aggressive psychiatric treatments compound her problems. The transition from adolescence to adulthood appears to be a maze to the young protagonist who must make her way through a looking glass world in her struggle to achieve autonomy and commitment.

You can pre-order Unruly Human Hearts at Amazon. (January 28, 2025)

Barbara Southard
Barbara Southard

Author Bio:

Barbara Southard grew up in New York, earned a PhD from the University of Hawaii, and served as professor in the History Department of the University of Puerto Rico. In addition to academic publications on women’s history, she is the author of The Pinch of the Crab, a short story collection set in Puerto Rico, exploring social conflicts of island life, mostly from the perspective of women and girls. In her debut novel Unruly Human Hearts, Barbara once again explores social conflict from the point of view of the woman involved in a different place and epoch. She has also been active in raising funds for the Shonali Choudhury Fund of the Community Foundation of Puerto Rico, helping local community organizations working to protect women from domestic violence.

Find out more: https://www.barbarasouthard.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BarbaraSouthardAuthor

Instagram: @barbara.southard45

© 2025-    Ronovan Hester Copyright reserved. The author asserts his moral and legal rights over this work.

19: The Musical audiobook. A REVOLUTIONARY experience in entertainment!

A REVOLUTIONARY experience in entertainment!
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19: The Musical

“The idea for “19” was inspired by a line in Hamilton: “When I meet Thomas Jefferson, I’ma compel him to include women in the sequel.” That line struck me because I thought, “Where’s the sequel? We’re still waiting to be heard — and I’m going to do something about that right now.”- Jennifer Schwed and Doug Bradshaw


As many of you who follow this site know, I’m a historian, by degree and desire. I remember the Suffragist Era being on one of my history finals at the University of Georgia. A long essay and I still couldn’t get it all in, but I hit the points I could and that’s the problem with history today and what we know. We only get the high points and most of those points are by men in power positions, with the biggest bank rolls and biggest voices. – Ronovan (And I got an A on that final.)



19: The Musical is the dynamic and little-known story of Alice Paul, Ida B. Wells, Susan B. Anthony, Carrie Chapman Catt, Inez Milholland and the other suffragists who fought to get women the right to vote – The 19th Amendment. The inspirational story of these fearless women is brought to life through jazz, traditional musical standards style, spoken word, and hints of gospel. Alice Paul and the suffragist’s fight for equality have been re-imagined for a new generation with a poignant and uplifting message that will resonate for years to come.

Originally created and performed on stage, 19: The Musical has been adapted for a new medium to reach a broader audience through audiobooks.

19: The Musical Book & Lyrics by Jennifer Schwed and Doug Bradshaw, ​​​​​​​Music Composed & Arranged by Charlie Barnett


Questions with Jennifer Schwed and Doug Bradshaw.
  • Why choose to turn the stage production into an audiobook?

In 2020, we were prepared to take “19” to New York for an investor reading so we could move the show to bigger venues. However, COVID-19 undercut our theatrical dreams for the show. We continued to work on the production; we had Zoom readings and did some online appearances over the past several years. Eventually, it occurred to us that “19” is a history that has been overlooked, yet, as evidenced by our live audiences pre-COVID, there’s a great hunger to know more about these women and their fight for suffrage. We thought that an audiobook format would allow us to reach a new and much broader audience — an audience that would appreciate both the story and the music.

  • Can you explain a bit how the themes “19” touches on are still relevant for today’s audience?

“19” has never stopped being relevant. Women’s rights are still being dismantled today. Voting and voting rights are being gutted. Protests and activism still remain a staple of how we move forward politically in this country. Did you know the Women’s March of 1913 was the blueprint for peaceful protest marches in this country? “19” is motivational, educational and inspirational. It offers insights on how we, as a people, can use use tactics like nonviolent protest to dissent when the government has taken a position that is fundamentally against our personhood. “19” tells the true story of how against all odds, those without power can battle a system built upon their oppression, but through brilliant strategic decisions, bold tactical choices and pure grit, they can eventually achieve victory and gain equality.


Visit https://www.19themusical.com/ for more information.

You can find the audiobook on Barnes & Noble, Audiobooks.com, Chirpbooks.com, Kobo and Google Play.

Follow 19: The Musical on https://www.facebook.com/19TheMusical/   and https://www.instagram.com/19_themusical/.

© 2014-2024- Ronovan Hester Copyright reserved. The author asserts his moral and legal rights over this work.

Kimberly Hess on Sarah B. Cochran, the Inspiration Behind “A Lesser Mortal”

Kimberly Hess on Sarah B. Cochran, the Inspiration Behind “A Lesser Mortal”

I grew up with the power of women’s experiences in the stories I heard about female ancestors and relatives. Whether they were politically active, ahead of their time, or overcoming enormous obstacles, each one’s story helped me to understand what I could do. One in particular was Sarah B. Cochran. When my parents and I regularly visited family in southwestern Pennsylvania, I saw artifacts from her life, like the mansion and church she had built, which were being added to the National Register of Historic Places when I was a little girl. I also knew that her decision to put my great-grandmother through college in 1917 still influenced my life many years later.

In that part of the country, it seemed that everybody knew something about her work in the Connellsville coke industry or respected her public and private philanthropy. She was once described to me as the Dolly Parton of the area because of her financially humble origins, generous philanthropy, and humility. As a story, her life struck me as the love child that an Edith Wharton novel might have had with a Nancy Meyers movie: our heroine moves beyond Gilded Age sensibilities and restrictions to inhabit a modern life with purpose, agency, and people who valued her. There is even a fantastic house and a five-minute standing ovation. It was a life that Sarah probably never expected to have and one that historians probably don’t expect to find in its place and time. And, it was a life that I never expected to write about.

Sarah lived from 1857 until 1936 and far exceeded expectations for a woman from that era in southwestern Pennsylvania. But in spite of that, she would be treated as a “lesser mortal” with respect to history; that is, she was left out of the larger historical narrative that featured male contemporaries like Henry Clay Frick or Andrew Carnegie. Born to a poor farming family, she struggled just to have clothes so she could attend school. When she got a job as a maid for Jim Cochran, the pioneer of the Connellsville coke industry, she and Jim’s son fell in love and married. About twenty years into that marriage, her husband and son died prematurely, and Sarah went on to own the coal and coke businesses that had been her husband’s in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Virginia, and Tennessee. At the time, it was illegal for women to work in or around Pennsylvania coal mines, and some miners even believed women were an unlucky presence around coal mines. While there was not a clear place for Sarah in an industry that was still male dominated, she didn’t leave it. Newspapers reported that she continued to transact business until she was in her seventies.

KIMBERLY HESS  A Lesser Mortal book coverShe also didn’t retreat to a comfortable life; instead, she engaged with the world by becoming a generous philanthropist for causes that mattered to her. She attributed this to a doctor’s advice to help schools and churches as she mourned the loss of her husband and son. Perhaps the lack of fit in mining also helped to smooth her path into philanthropy, where she would have had greater latitude and where women already had a socially acceptable role. When she died in 1936, her private philanthropy was valued at several hundred thousand dollars and her public philanthropy at $2,000,000 (1936 dollars). From her forties through her sixties, Sarah built college dormitories, endowed department chairs, and was a lifelong benefactor and “mother” of Phi Kappa Psi’s West Virginia Alpha chapter. Her philanthropy at Allegheny College even rivaled that of Andrew Carnegie during a crucial building campaign, and she was the first woman to serve as an Allegheny trustee.

Much of Sarah’s philanthropy went beyond generosity to actually shifting power, and often it seemed to be a tool for improving the lives of future generations. In an era when college degrees were becoming increasingly necessary for higher paying jobs and viewed with suffrage as keys to women’s independence, Sarah quietly paid for local people’s college education. Ahead of Pennsylvania’s 1915 suffrage referendum, she publicly threw her weight behind women’s suffrage by opening her estate to host western Pennsylvania’s largest suffrage fundraiser. Ironically, some might have still viewed the home as a woman’s domain and a refuge from politics. However, Sarah was not afraid to bring politics into the home or to publicly own what differentiated her from business competitors: gender. The following year she opened her home again, this time to host the semi-annual meeting of the world’s all-male Methodist bishops. It was reportedly the first time the meeting had been held in a private home, and it was just sixteen years since women were first allowed to be lay delegates at the church’s quadrennial meetings.

As fascinating as Sarah’s life was, it was a life I expected someone else, namely a historian, to write about. My career was in the corporate world for nearly twenty years, but during that time I was also involved with organizations that forced me to consider issues like investments in women’s education, women’s representation in business school, how women have been left out of the historical narrative, and what people might gain from learning stories about female historic figures. When my husband noticed that he couldn’t find information about Sarah online, I created her Wikipedia entry and moved on to a museum blog post, a National Women’s History Museum biography, and a StoryCorps recording.

I spent two more years researching and writing about Sarah’s life and its context, then supplemented those findings with genealogical research I’d been doing over the course of thirty-six years. Beyond learning more details of her life, I also discovered a woman who became highly productive in the periods we know as midlife and senior years. As a middle-aged woman myself, I thought for the first time about the opportunities and challenges age might have presented to Sarah. I also discovered how difficult it is to find her if you don’t already know she’s there. Sometimes Sarah is portrayed as a coal magnate’s widow, not as an accomplished woman in her own right. She falls through the cracks when writings about the coal and coke region focus on miners’ wives or rely on oral histories from employees of the H.C. Frick Coke Company, one of Sarah’s competitors. Even her occupational information, sometimes portrayed as a blank space or the word “None” on the U.S. Census, wouldn’t suggest any of the  responsibilities or influence that she actually had. Because she was involved in organizations and institutions that mattered to her in specific locations – not organizations that would simply help her to self-promote – there are pockets of deep knowledge in unexpected places instead of widespread, general awareness.

This makes her story important to tell for a few different reasons. First, the fact that a woman has remained invisible after her businesses competed with Frick’s and her philanthropy sometimes rivaled Carnegie’s is a good reason to tell her story. I hope this will inspire others to tell stories of the “lesser mortals” who affected their own communities but remained invisible to a wider audience. This might be done through historic sites, books or articles, or it might be the simple act of donating an artifact to a museum or archive. Representation in museums and archives is critical for demonstrating what roles a diverse group of people has played in history and culture, but it also allows researchers from around the world to discover people. Second, despite Sarah’s very specific interests, there is a universality and timelessness to her story. It is a story about using the power we already have, living with purpose, being resilient, championing others, and publicly owning our identities. In some cases she was the first or only person like herself to accomplish certain goals. At times she wasn’t welcome in the broken system where she operated, so she was forced to create her own place in the world. These challenges aren’t going away, and we can benefit from stories about how people have dealt with them. Sometimes we need to tell those stories ourselves if we want people to find them.


KIMBERLY HESS Black and White Author photoKIMBERLY HESS: During her business career of nearly twenty years, Kimberly Hess served in volunteer leadership roles at the global and local levels for Smith College’s Alumnae Association and Office of Admission, and she was a trustee of the Alice Paul Institute and a board member of the Chubb Partnership of Women. Her writing has appeared on the websites of Thrive Global, the National Women’s History Museum and the Forté Foundation, as well as on the blogs of the Women’s Museum of California and the David Library of the American Revolution. She has a B.A. in Economics and International Relations from Smith College, an M.B.A. in Marketing from Rutgers Business School, and a Certificate in Historic Preservation from the Caspersen School of Graduate Studies at Drew University. An avid genealogist and traveler, she lives in New Jersey with her husband and daughter.

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